Very Informative Discussion With Jason Gallant (Of Natural Gallant Bodybuilding) In The Comment Section Of One Of His Videos About Training Back, And Also Legs And Glutes Me: "Why do you not go all of the way up on pull-up and all of the way down on pull-down so that the bar passes your chin? Is it because you feel a diminished return of not hitting back anymore and getting more of other muscles, like the shoulder, bis, and forearms, so that they are limiting what you can get out of your back, and you are getting not enough tension on the back for what energy you are using up by activating those other muscles? Jason: "I go all the way down on pull downs. To go any further down, I'd have to rotate my arms (arm wrestle the weight), this works the rotator cuff, NOT THE BACK. Look at my back development. You can see that it's working. My point is, you want to keep the tension on the muscles you want to hit failure with rather than wasting energy in OVERworking the rotator cuff muscles. The point is, if you rotate the weight down, you're not really training the back at all. Which is why you have a lot of guys walking round the gym with very little back development. They usually spend their time training arms when they are training back. So basically, their back never gets a workout. Me: "I meant no disrespect when I said you don't go all the way down. Certainly you do for your own personal purpose that you do the movements for. But according to most you don't because it is widely recognized that the full range of motion is at least getting past the chin, and some even say that it is at the upper chest. Anyway, I have followed you for quite some time now. I understand your way of thinking. I'm not a hater here. Your result speak for themselves and are proof that you don't have to get enormously strong with enormously heavy weights in order to get a big bodybuilder physique, if you don't want to or can't. I just wanted to know the precise reason for why you were doing it." Me: "I've been for a while not suspecting that you are correct about this in regards to pull ups and downs and recently I saw a video of a calisthenics specialist talking about how if you want to do pull-ups for your back, then you have to not focus on your wrists or on getting you chin over the bar but on trying to pull your elbows into your backs, and the way he demonstrated, his chin did not go over the bar but you could see lots of lat flexion happening at the top and his upper back arching backwards as if similar to a row. I tried it and I finally got some noticeable soreness in my lats for once and felt like something had pulled on them. Me: "I hear you about the texting. I responded a lot here while you were posting too and it only showed up now. So there you have it. Learn from pros how to build your muscles. And learn from your own body too by listening to it because it isn't stupid.
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